April 18th, 2006


moral universes/worldviews

Okay, karmically I am owed nada because I have been lax in club_joss discussion and have so many writing commitments I am behind on. But reading glossing's Family Romance got me thinking about stuff I'd been meaning to post about for weeks, nay months, now. (Moral universes and worldviews.)

The same day that I saw my first episode(s) of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine ("Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" 4.10/4.11), mari4212 posted about moral universes and worldviews in fictional universes. She much prefers optimistic worldviews, which was interesting for me to read, not because it felt out of character for her (because it isn't) but because I was struck by how opposite my approach is. I'm fascinated by the grey areas. (And much though I love Star Trek: The Next Generation, the utopianness of it often frustrates me -- thanks to my dad's influence -- because it just doesn't feel realistic.)

A few weeks later, alixtii posted about trying to get into VMars, and he mentioned that Veronica wasn't Mary Sue-ish enough for him, which I found amusing because my impression is that the opposite is a more common complaint in fandoms at large (not about VMars specifically, just fandoms in general). What particularly struck me, however, was "VM seems to be nitty-gritty realistic. And I find that a real turn-off. I want to watch shows that are larger than life." On the one hand, I get frustrated with fictional people a lot because they don't communicate or whatever and part of my brain is yelling at me that I want them to be better, smarter, whatever, than "real" people. (See also the fact that I get frustrated with "real" people all the time.) This brings me to the most recent item.

Poking through my huge backlog of Fic To Read recently, I pulled up pearl_o's plea for genderfuck fic. From the comments there, I read glossing's fic Family Romance. I'm not sure I would actually rec the fic, but it was the example I'd seen most recently of a gritty difficult world in which the author kept refusing to take the easy way -- which while painful and/or frustrating for the reader, is something I really admire in a writer (especially because I know I'm often very tempted to take the easy way out in my own writing).

I don't have specific questions for the flist [nor even a pithy teaser should this be metafandom-ed], am just tossing the issue out to anyone who wants to talk.
none are righteous

on liking the unlikeable

TVGuide (April 17-22) has House ("The man you love to hate") on the cover -- "People think they want House to change, but they don't. They watch him because he's a jerk." [The same quote -- from creator and exec producer David Shore -- in the inside article, says "bastard" rather than "jerk."] My immediate reaction, of course, was: "A lot of fandom? Is very upfront about the fact that the appeal is his abrasive etc. -ness."

Hugh Laurie says, "The fact that House doesn't need to be liked makes him paradoxically likable. Unlike so much of the world, House is not trying to get your vote or your applause. And I admire that" (p. 24). I was reminded of dorrie6's post. And certainly fandom bears out Laurie's explanation. I, of course, am one of the unwon. I talk a bit about this in my writeup of "Safe" but am making a separate meta-post because a lot of my flisters love House/House and I'm honestly confused by their attraction.

Disclaimer of course that I've seen all of 3 episodes of this show. Feel free to back up your comments with examples from any of the episodes.

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tell me a story [lizzieb]

whining about ficwriting & privileging certain storytelling modes?

I recently feedbacked yhlee's Angelfic "Candles" and briefly discussed the difficulties of non-linear fic, and in returning to my apocafic I am yet again reminded of how bad I am at executing it (including my propensity for self-indulgence re: tenses and the fact that I don't have as good a handle on timelines in Angel -- where this fic is taking place -- as I do in BtVS -- where I usually write).

I'm also working on a lighter fic (a request from an acquaintance which intrugued me) and I've gotten the characters to meet (it's a crossover) but now I don't know what to do with them. This is why I write short stuff that usually centers around the characters having sex -- because I'm so incapable when it comes to thinking up actual plots. And talking is always an option, except that this is Oz [emphasis on character name, not italicization of tv show].



I'm turning into lilithchilde.

Lorraine and I were talking, and I said, "I can say for sure that I want the same level of respect for the audience's intelligence and the same level of craft and intention in any work, whether it's published novel, film, tv, fanfic, whatever."

She said that wasn't true for her, that she's much more forgiving of low-quality in films and tv shows, and my immediate reaction was to feel that she was doing those media a disservice and contributing to the enculturated low-respect for those media, privileging print medium, and then I remembered a conversation with Allie in which she complained -- and rightly -- that I respected print medium more than AV.